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January 19, 2008 04:23 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“[expletive]”

–Dick Wadhams

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65 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

    1. That’s just how a lot of people talk these days — from kids to grandmothers.  

      Maybe he’s a follower of Rudolf Flesch — the “communications wiz” who urged the business class to kick down the last bastions of formality in the West.

      As I’m writing this I notice our friend Dabee has used the word “ass-backwards”.  Should I be offended?

  1. This constant yammering about Reagan is getting pretty old.  While people like to joke that Rudy composes his sentences with a noun, verb, and 9/11, every other candidate seems to be a fan of the noun, verb, and Ronald Reagan combo.  It’s incredibly annoying.

    Finally I read an article that in some way expresses what nonsense this Reagan-mania is.  I’m no “Weekly Standard” fan; but I do find William Kristol interesting.  Ass-backwards wrong most of the time…but interesting nonetheless.  Take a look as you enjoy this freezing Saturday…

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/

        1. FDR was great but Eleanor was his moral compass.  The right wingers hated her like they hate Hillary today.  God, I can’t wait for the first woman president to be sworn in, just to watch those swine turn in their graves!

        2. FDR was a fascist moron who made stuff up as he went along even worse than Bush is accused of.  But since he said he was “experimenting,” and because it was for “progressive” (aka “totalitarian”) values, he gets a pass.  

          Both he and Wilson did things that put Bush’s record on civil liberties to well, what’s the opposite of “put to shame?”  Yeah, that.  But, once again, it was cloaked in “progressivism” and “experimentation” and “social engineering,” so they get a pass.

          Check out some of the oppressive and extra-Constitutional garbage they actually pulled sometime.  If you really do give a damn for the country (and not just for the Donkey) it’ll make you sick.

          My personal favorite is Silent Cal.  Also, Madison, if he were never actually President.  He wrote a fine Constitution.  Lincoln could speak, and he did what he had to do, but after spending a few years in the South, I’m not entirely sure it was as unimpeachably Good as they say in the books.

            1. Let’s never cower, never relent, and never confuse the message regarding what takes care of….versus what sucks dry…the common weal. The yokels of the world will wilt away!

          1. Honest to God, how do you write such shit with a straight face?  Do you have any sense of what was happening in America in the 30’s? This nation was ripe for violent overthrow by Fascists, Communists, and others.  FDR knew this, and he did what he had to do take create a political and social “back fire” to stop the Fascists and Communists.

            I know that you are a smart individual; I just wonder how you pull this shit out of your ass.

          1. I only put people in a single category

            Best

            1)Washington (set the precedent for 2 terms held for 140 years–Cincinatus in America)

            2)Lincoln (preserved the union, took responsibility for military failures, freed the slaves)

            3)FDR (managed 2 existential crises–marked down for breaking Washington precedent and court packing)

            Important (but not necessarily good)

            1)Jackson (widened democracy good–dismantled the national banking system Hamilton had built bad)

            2)Jefferson (Lousiana purchase good–almost everything else bad)

            3)Reagan (reshaped economy–destroyed certain sectors of the economy)

            Worst

            1)Bush (shredded the constitution, bankrupted the country, promoted wealth concentration and divided the country, wrecked the military and damaged international standing)

            2)Buchanan (can you say dread scott)

            3)Harding (his scandals were almost as bad as Bushes)

            Favorites (not amongst the best)

            1)Teddy Roosevelt (first modern president, great man for the common people, decisive, but often heavy handed)

            2) Eisenhower (quite competance, reminded america of the unity of WWII and pushed forward economic opportunities for all americans, committed the Feds to racial reconciliation–should have been more forceful/not a lot of new ideas-not a game changer)

            3)James Monroe (love the monroe doctrine–though formulated by madison, professional, non partisan, created the arcitecture for a professional government, tried to solve the slave issue-repratiation (though racist and a failure-he at least tried)  negatives just pretty boring)

            Underated (I think their ranking will improve over time)

            1) truman-integrating the army was a critical moment

            2)Nixon-he had truimphs

            3)Carter-the difficulty of negotiating peace in the middle east makes the achievement of the Camp David Accords that much greater of an achievement.

            1. but, having said that, can’t be blamed for Dred Scott.  The evil there lays with Roger B. Taney, chief justice and author of that odious decision.  If memory serves, he was appointed by the equally racist Andrew Jackson, the hero of Big Government historians who overlook the fact that he promoted genocide against the Cherokees.

              1. his treatment of the Native Americans was odious.  Particularily when he shredded seperation of powers and did not enforce supreme court decisions

              2. Taney wrote Dred Scott but he clearly was given the signal by Buchanan that the decision he was thinking of was ok and would work. Buchanan was truly awful – sort of like the George Bush of his time always making the worst decision. (I guess that means is all we need is another Lincoln now to fix everything – piece of cake.)

                Jackson and LBJ were both flawed presidents who did some very great things, and blew it on some other important things. Keep in mind Jackson did make us a government of the people (people being white males) for the first time and he stopped growing secession movements cold at that time. Those were both big positives.

                1. I’m praying for a Harry Truman, a seemingly ordinary guy who rose above his expectations as a Prendergast Machine man and helped preserve the legacy of FDR while building a firewall against international communism.

                  Unfortunately, the next president is going to have to reverse the legacy of the current Bush and try to rebuild America’s standing in a world in which we are seen as part of the problem, not the “leader of the free world.”

                  Hillary, read up on Truman biographies!

                2. for making me fight his unnecessary war.

                  But on civil rights, give the man his due.

                  He rose above his Hill Country background and helped break the power of Jim Crow.

                  I just wish he could have done that without sacrificing the lives of 58,000 of my comrades and god knows how many Vietnamese.

                  1. And unfortunately they are imperfect. On civil rights LBJ was second only to Lincoln. On fighting poverty he puts all his efforts in to it and accomplished a lot of good things.

                    But on Vietnam he was abysmal.

            2. In a lot of cases that was a wise decision (Vietnam). For a lot of additional issues, it was a decent decision. And the country at that time just wanted to get back to a boring “normal” life.

              But he did not step up on issues that did require action from the president from China to McCarthy, to civil rights – what he did in each case was when he was forced to do something.

              In a lot of ways he was the right man for the time – but he did not exceed the bounds of competent.

              1. including the fact that not doing much looks pretty good compared to the idiotic activism of Bush the Lesser.  The first rule of politics should be: Don’t just do something.  Stand There!  

        1. I and all my HS friends were RFK kids.

          ” Some people see things as they are and ask why. I see things that could be and ask why not?” RFK

          I see the same kind of hope surrounding Barack Obama.

          If I was still 19, I would be an Obama supporter.

          But once it dawned on my that it’s not intentions but results that count, I would be a Reagan or Romney supporter.

          Oh wait, I was, I am.

    1. The fact that there are so few true people of consequence in today’s society for us to look up to is partly a product of our sound byte obsessed media and the fact that our leaders so routinely let us down, forcing us to lower our standards and moving us to idealize leaders that are long gone. We can’t criticize their recent actions because they don’t have any. John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, Franklin Roosevelt, the list goes on.

      Having said that, I myself harken back to Theodore Roosevelt.

    2. It’s 81 degrees and very breezy.

      Tomorrow will be a cold snap of 61 degrees.

      Frankly, I wish I was in that Colorado winter.  Sure, you suffer once in awhile, but what glorious spring, summer, and falls!

    3. So conservatives might think of… Mitt Romney as our potential JFK.

      Support the one you prefer. But don’t work yourself into a frenzy against the others.

      Let the best man emerge from a challenging primary process. And if there is no clear-cut winner, then the delegates at the GOP convention can turn on the fifth ballot to an obvious fallback compromise candidate, one who would be just fine with conservatives–Dick Cheney!

      1.    Mittens more closely resembles a more contemporary Massachusetts Senator, Flip Flop Kerry.

          As for Cheney as the nominee, bring it on!  His approval rating stands at about 9%!

      2. You can acuse JFK of many things, but being faithful to his wife isn’t one of them.

        I dismiss Romney as a political chameleon with no moral center but at least he is a decent husband and father. JFK made Clinton look almost celibate.  The difference was the press let JFK get away with it.  

    1. The Conservative Gold Standard in EPC, the Republican Club of Falcon ( http://www.falconrepublicans.org )held a debate last week for all 3 candidates in the race to fill Doug Bruce’s EPC Commissioner seat.

      There were 3 candidates, Bruce endorsed no one. Amy’s position that is in stark contrast to Bruce is, she would not vote to raise taxes herself, but would vote to allow special districts to put their issues on the ballot, as there is not a petition process for them. Bruce voted against every tax question.

      Well here, you decide:

      Q: What is your position on the 2nd amendment, make my day law, concealed carry and gun control.

      Amy Latern responded:

      “I would strengthen the make my day law to give it some teeth, I have a concealed carry permit and am a strong supporter of teachers who have carry permits being allowed to have them in our schools, that’s what is going to protect our kids.”

      Q: Do you support same sex benefits for county employee’s.

      A: ” NO, Never, ever ever.”

      She fits just fine in Conservative EPC.

      I would have been happy with any of the 3 choices. But then in this district, I am a Moderate.

    1. I thought that president who wagged his finger at us and said “I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski” was a Democrat.  When did he switch to the GOP?

      And was it a stupid lie when your own mother, a Republican if I recall correctly, said you were a nice boy?

      I think you will find that in the real world, as opposed to leftish fantasy land, that stupidity and lies are found in all parts of the political spectrum.

      To answer my own question, your mom was right.  You are a nice boy.  Most of the time.  But you do need to get over your ultra-partisanship.  

    2. you don’t count that one cause he wasn’t well liked by other Democrats who shunned him after the Federal sting.

      I don’t remember Republicans flocking to support the antics of Mark Foley or Duke Cunningham.  They forced them (OK strongly encouraged) them to resign.

      Your a partisan with a blind spot, but keep on keepin on.  Your obvious bias helps my cause.

  2. Rush Limbaugh

    January 14, 2008

    EXCERPT

    … They don’t have a coalition.  McCain doesn’t have one. Huckabee doesn’t have one.  They want to transform the party into a center-left party like these so-called conservative parties in Europe, and to do that, they’ve gotta say, “The Reagan era is over,” and they have to embrace expediency, which, in the end, of course, is a losing proposition.  Let me hit you right between the eyes here.  If you want to find out what would happen to the country with a McCain or Huckabee president, take a look at what’s happened to Governor Schwarzenegger in California.  Here was a guy who actively ran as a conservative and as a Republican and, as you know, was elected.  We all know now what has happened to him.  

    He has abandoned all of that, and look at the state of California with their budget mess, their increased taxes. Now we’ve got this emergency session that the governor has called. That’s just a blank check to raise more taxes.  California runs the risk of becoming the next Michigan.  ….

    Well, conservatism isn’t dead because it cannot be dead.  Conservatism is not manmade.  Conservatism is a philosophy.  It’s not a scheme.  It’s not a plan to figure out what the American people need and want, and then give it to them.  That’s populism!  Conservatism is a philosophy based on God-given natural rights.  The Declaration of Independence, is that dead?  

    Of course not!  What’s dead is leadership on the Republican side, and because there is a lack of leadership of someone who the substantive understanding of liberty and the political skills to advance it, we get all this cockamamie nonsense about the death of our principles.  Our principles are not dead! Our principles cannot die.  I’ll tell you, in a lot of ways this reminds me of Jimmy Carter and his malaise speech.  He blamed the American people for his miserable failures as president.  Now we have conservatives and conservative wannabes, many of whom have held high office or hold high office or speak and write from formerly conservative outposts, who blame conservatives for their own miserable failures.  What is lacking is not ideas and principles.  What’s lacking is the right people to speak those ideas and principles, folks.  Admit it……  

    END TRANSCRIPT

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ho

    1. [Reagan] was a fascist moron who made stuff up as he went along even worse than Bush is accused of.  But since he said he was “experimenting,” and because it was for “conservative” (aka “totalitarian”) values, he gets a pass.

      Both he and Wilson did things that put Bush’s record on civil liberties to well, what’s the opposite of “put to shame?”  Yeah, that.  But, once again, it was cloaked in “conservatism” and “experimentation” and “social engineering,” so they get a pass.

      Check out some of the oppressive and extra-Constitutional garbage they actually pulled sometime.  If you really do give a damn for the country (and not just for the Elephant) it’ll make you sick.

      Let me add Iran Contra.

    2. Conservatism is a philosophy based on God-given natural rights.

      If these are God-given, and God is all powerful, then we should ipso-facto, just have them.

      This the the problem with wing-nuts (at all ends of the spectrum), it’s not facts, it’s faith. You can discuss with a true believer because God (or something) has handed them the holy writ and it must be followed.

        1. has a big sign on the side of his house that shows how many days are left until Bush is out of office.  He keeps it up to date every day – good stuff.  He lives about 2 blocks away from the guy with the huge IMPEACH BUSH banner.

            1. I don’t live in Boulder newsie, but I do have a NEWSFLASH for you:

              This may come as a shock to you, but lots of different people in lots of different towns accross this country think Bush is an embarrasment, has fucked up this country, and can’t wait for his incompetent ass to be out of the WH.

              This has been a NEWSFLASH for NEWSMAN.

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